e-Claire

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from this post: Ya Say Ya Wanna Revolution, weeell, yannooo Pat comments from Germany:

Claire: your outrage is understandable in the context of the invitations of OSCE observers. As this was managed by some Democrats still angry about alledged frauds in Florida, I can well understand the anger about that. But think about it from another angle: the OSCE member have agreed to allow each others the observation of elections in 1990, long before there was even talk about alledged problems in the US. Mutual observation is an excellent tool of learning new things from other and improve your own election system. With this I mean primarily that the oberservers learn, not so much the observed. And vice versa American oberservers might find interresting inovations and developments about procedula things in elections in some European countries. There is no fail-safe system and no system is beyond improvement. Nowhere. And I have just checked the relevant OSCE documents and I can not see how any of the rules agreed upon by all OSCE members would proove any wrong in the USA. I personally would not mind observers at our next election(s) in Germany, because we could all learn something. Therefore, as a proud American I would embrace the invitation of OSCE observers, but would make sure likewise, that American observers will be present at the next major elections of all participating observer nations.

Pat, Good effort at a spin but it plays about as well as a cat tryin' to cover on a linoleum floor. Consider: -The 'alleged' frauds in FL were proven - by such members of the VRWC as the NYT, CNN Miami Herald, and others -- to be utter nonsense. Three [3] years ago. -I agree that all systems have room for improvement. Americans are currently working to improve ours -- as we do on a regular basis. I doubt that we would benefit from 'observation' from roving packs of socialists. -As to their 'benefitting' from their observations -- that opportunity has been available for, oh, 200 years or so and no one has, to my knowledge, taken advantage of it as yet... ===The key to understanding this particular phenomena is 1] the timing and 2] the participants.

And I have just checked the relevant OSCE documents and I can not see how any of the rules agreed upon by all OSCE members would proove any wrong in the USA.

Then the point would be:___________________ [???] The current point is to shame the American citizens and throw doubt on the results of this election so that the DhimmoCraps can continue their favorite meme -- "we woulda won, if only....." The tedious whine of the also-ran.

...I would embrace the invitation of OSCE observers, but would make sure likewise, that American observers will be present at the next major elections of all participating observer nations.

So you are saying that all nations are either children or charlatans who must be watched? But if all nations are such, the same is true of the watchers. ...non? I prefer to give all nations who wish it -- and earn it -- the respect of honoring their sovereignty. That means trusting them to take care of their own business while I mind mine. I'm too busy to babysit. If I want advice, I'll ask for it from someone who has demonstrated their capabilities to be superior to mine. . More: I cannot not:

Therefore, as a proud American [Oh Puh-Leeze] I would embrace the invitation...

Tell me, as a proud adult do you regularly invite your neighbors over to inspect your budget, observe your marriage and comment on 'learn from' your housekeeping habits?

1. Amen, sister! 

   Again… ;)

   Posted by pam  on  08/11/04  at  05:42 AM

2. Have I dropped into some kind of hilariously alternative universe, where the country that pioneered and has the longest continuous history of self-governance is supposed to be monitored by—forgive me—Germans and French????

   And, you know, I was here in 2000 and as I recall the way the Florida count went, the local judiciary tried to set aside the election laws and the U.S. Supreme Court said, no, let the election laws play out as they are.  I have never been able to figure out exactly how that qualifies as “fraud”?

   Posted by  on  08/11/04  at  06:43 AM

3. Given that the prosecuters here in Milwaukee don’t give an airborne activity about vote fraud, it would be amusing to have the foreign observers telling the world about the college kids going from polling place to polling place to vote.

   Posted by triticale  on  08/11/04  at  02:24 PM

4. Hmm.  Sounds like you’ve got your work cut out for y’all there, Triticale…

   Posted by Claire  on  08/12/04  at  02:46 PM

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